Homespun Haints: True Ghost Stories

A Good Roll in the Hay With a Ghost: Interview with Patti Negri

• Becky Kilimnik and Diana Doty

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We sit down with psychic medium Patti Negri to explore Dollcraft, her new hands-on guide to inviting the right spirit, banishing the wrong one, and caring for doll vessels without wrecking your life. When a low-vibration hitchhiker shows up, she shares how to banish, reset, and re-establish boundaries—illustrated by the transformation of Patti's doll “Belle,” whose dark attachment gave way to a kind child spirit after a little dollcraft. The conversation moves beyond dolls into cleansing practices, and Patti issues a warning about over-using sage. 

We also seem to have finally found a perfect person to ask about spectrophilia, and with an open mind and great sense of humor, Patti talks about the pros and cons of having sex with ghosts. Our conversation offers cheeky (yet practical) tips and bold ideas about physical intimacy with a deceased loved one. 

In forecasting the rest of 2025, Patti invokes the dragon—an ancient, cross-cultural protector that “lives at the crossroads.” She explains how to create, feed, and task a dragon fetish to focus your will, protect your space, and attract opportunities. 

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SPEAKER_00:

Not all haunted dolls are the same. Some harbor a dark entity, while others can become a valued member of your family. Knowing how to tell the difference and nurture the right relationship is important. If only there were a guidebook for such a thing. Well, our guest today has written just that book. Psychic Medium and reality television star Patty Negri will share her methods for letting the right one in, while also providing much-needed guidance on how to survive this maelstrom of a year. Snuggle down with your favorite cup of tea and prepare to learn about the other side. Today, on Homespun Haints. Hello, Hainted Loves. Welcome to Homespun Haints. I'm Becky. Hi, I'm Diana. Today in the show, we are thrilled to bring on a woman who needs no introduction. Patty Nagri, probably the world's most famous psychic medium right now. Sorry, I'm just gonna gush on you a little bit. She uh is a regular on Ghost Adventures. You have probably seen her there. You've also probably checked out her podcast, The Witching Hour. And she has a podcast, The Witch's Movie Coven, with Heather Green, which we recently spoke with Heather. And as you know, when we spoke to Heather, we talked to her about haunted dolls. And Patty is definitely an expert in that arena as well. In fact, she has a new book, Dollcraft, released in June of 2025. So, Patty, thank you so much for joining us today. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm thrilled to be here between you guys. This is awesome. Thank you. So tell us a little bit about dollcraft.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's start there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yes, I have been, well, a doll collector my entire life. I if you if I turn the camera around, I have hundreds of Barbies staring at me all over my house. None of them haunted, though. I've never had a haunted Barbie. I've had haunted dolls. They're behind me. My haunted ones, I have to keep back away, so they take the whole focus away. Like children and animals, they take the whole focus. Um, but I've always been a doll person, and I've always been a haunted person. I've been talking to the dead since I could talk, since I was literally before kindergarten. Regular conversations with spirits. My first seance was at seven years old. So that's been a part of my life. And then with the everything that's come up in the last few years about haunted dolls, they have never been more popular. It's like I I'm always amazed at the amount of like middle-aged and older people men, show me your doll collection. It's like I would, my dad would have never said that. Um but there is being an expert in the metaphysics and the occult and spirituality and magic, there is a little bit of care and feeding to them. You know, you run up go on Etsy and you see like eight million supposed haunted dolls for sale, and some are, most aren't. And and again, if you do get a real one, you there really is, it's you're bringing a spirit into your life. I I thought people needed to have, you know, kind of a care and feeding book of what to do, how to get one, how to create one, how to not get rocked off by one. And then also on the other side of the book, besides being haunted dolls, it's about magical puppets, which is bringing my witch world into it, since I'm the paranormal world in the witch world, because they are very misunderstood. Most people don't even know what a puppet is, or if they see one, it's a little doll, looks like a little gingerbread doll. They think it's a voodoo doll, which it actually isn't. So I thought I would just crash my two worlds together in one book. And how to make puppets, buy puppets, spells for puppets, health and love and money and this and that. You know, the difference between the puppet and haunted doll, how bringing in a spirit, and and even if you can't find a good haunted doll, you know how to create your own. Because there's disembodied spirits all over the place that would love a nice little doll to go into.

SPEAKER_00:

Would you be willing to give us maybe a very quick rundown of how you create a haunted doll?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, yeah, yeah, I could do a quick reader's digest version, whatever that is. Know your cosmology, know how you work with spirit. If you don't work on the other side of the veil, you know, go slow and easy into it because you really are opening a doorway. But it's setting up your sacred area, kind of working, getting a vessel that you would like to call it into. Um, work within your own religion or belief system. I work, I'm an elemental witch, I work with the elements. If you're Christian, work with Jesus, work with whatever that works within your belief system, and start inviting in spirits. You get into yourself a meditative space, light a candle, some incense. Be very specific of what you want to call in. Intent. You don't, it's it's just like what people do with Ouija boards, is calling in spirits. Now, but you're giving them a vessel. You don't want anybody out there. It's like, anybody really? Do you want to open your front door of your home to anybody? The serial killer next door? No. The pervert in the back, no. High vibration spirits, the spirits with good intent, spirits, however you want to word it, be very careful. Um, again, often again, depending on your relationship with being able to see or sense or feel the other side of the veil when something comes in, you getting to choose what is actually going to come in. Um, some people can get it like that. Oh wow, this beautiful little spirit of this little 13-year-old came in. Some people it takes a while, but it's a nice practice anyway. It is uh working with your inner self, working with spirit to step into something. So it's even if it takes you a long time to get a spirit into your doll, or even if it for whatever reason doesn't come, it probably will, but it it's a nice practice anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

So as a mother of human children and fur children, um, I know that sometimes when we adopt, which having a haunted doll is all sounds almost like adopting, um sometimes you get the critter home and you're like, I think I made a mistake. Uh what do you do then?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, you can do that. Again, I I have this is a very how-to book, How to Banish a Spirit. Well, like I'm gonna give you a story of my doll, Belle, my little here, my peeker right over there, the one in red right there, Belle. I've had her for years now, but I had done a seance with Peggy the doll, very known, gives people heart attacks. She's now in Zach's museum at the time. He hadn't even owned her. But she had seen me do a seance with Zach, with Peggy the doll, um, where we cut the cords for this girl who had been given a heart attack, and and she's like watching it. She goes, she figured if I could handle Peggy, who was darker than Belle, I could handle Belle. So she contacted me and asked me if she could send me Belle. I'm like, sure, because I could knew how to handle it. Um, she sent me the doll. The doll was so strong. I had never done a live before, like a Facebook live when I could actually get on Facebook. Um, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna open this on stage. 50,000 people watch. I don't have that many followers, I don't get that many views. It was the doll, draw it in, but they opened up this beautiful doll with a very dark spirit. But I this doll had made her and her daughter sick for three years, made their hair fall out. I don't have enough hair, so I banished the dark spirit. I'm like, I I don't. I was like, I would not let the sunset on that first day before banishing the dark spirit, and then it came out, but I knew there was something underneath, I knew there was a positive spirit, but it took a while for it to come out. I had to keep the herb roux in her hand, can otherwise she would drain you even before the spirit came out. Again, that's in the care and feeding. But then this beautiful little girl spare out who became a member of our family. But if you get something that's naked, or you call in, or you go to the local eBay or better yet, thrift store or secondhand or antique store to find a haunted doll, and you find that ooh, there's something not good there, you can again you could have boundaries and you need to anyway, just like how you train your children, how you train your dogs and well cats, and how you train and how they have to have boundaries and guidelines. And if something isn't going to, if it really is a low vibration versus good or bad spirit, how to banish it from that vessel. You can call in another one or just banish it altogether. Or if you want to sell it, sell it, but let be buyer beware, let them know that this is a dark spirit I don't want. There is some silly people out there who do want dark spirits, but but uh to me, they're again working with dark all the time. TV doesn't want you to go to the happy ghost where they're swinging on the chandeliers, they want you to go channel the serial killer. But again, unless you really know what you're doing, they will drain your energy, they will make you sick, they will make your hair fall out. So I will work with those outside of my house. I don't want one as a family member, but there are people who do. You know, they put them in cases or they just let them affect them. So lots of things to do, but definitely do something because you don't don't just you know throw it in the garage for the spirit's sake, for your sake. Yeah. Properly, you know, banish the spirit or give it to somebody else. Do you get requests a lot to re-home your dolls? Not a lot. I've got one baby doll right behind me, somewhere back there, baby doll. Um, she was I was doing a house clearing, a local house clearing, and the woman that was negatively or haunted that she didn't like. It wasn't even negative, but just she didn't want it in her house. So she gave it to me and I brought her home. But I had it with the clearing, I had cleared the spirit out of the doll anyway. Oh, yeah. So it's just a baby doll. It doesn't have a spirit. Um, but she didn't want it, just for whatever attached to it. So be careful. And when you guys we all need to keep our house clear and clean, but you don't want to blanket, you know, energetically clorox the whole house if you have your spirits, your ancestors, so like don't oversage, use Palo Santo, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02:

It's like antibiotics. You can wipe out the good ones and the bad ones at the same time.

SPEAKER_00:

You don't want to use that, you know. Well, yeah, because every house does have a spirit, you know, and a soul, and we want to make sure nothing else. It does. Yeah, you don't want to get rid of that. Because then, you know, nature abores a vacuum, something else is gonna come in in its place.

unknown:

Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

Every time I I say that so often. It's like dusting the house and leaving the windows in a dust storm. Windows open, the doors open. Wait, you've so cleansed it that you call in something different, something the same back thing, or something worse.

SPEAKER_02:

We we've had so many guests with differing opinions about how appropriate it is to have a uh spirit in your house at all. Uh, a lot of people have told us things like any spirit in a house with the living will make the living sick no matter what, or things like that. What what what do you think when you hear things like that?

SPEAKER_01:

That has not been my experience ever, ever, or anybody I've worked with. But again, your truth is your truth. Your truth is the truth. If you believe having a spirit in your house is bad, for you it is bad because our perception is everything. That's going into basic psychology. If you change your perception and going, okay, grandma's spirit's hanging out, it's not so bad, it's good, you know, or whatever the fun. I have in my besides uh my dolls, two only two are haunted, Belle and my new one Salem, who hasn't taken on a bunch of a presence yet. Um, but I have a spirit my house came with. Um she does not into dolls, she hasn't got it, she doesn't need it, she's everywhere. Her name, she's a French artist. She my house is 1920, but this woman moved into the house in the 1960s. She died in 1998, but she didn't die in the house. I moved in in 2001, but she was here. She came with the house. She let me and my husband know. Um, the neighbors all know she she used to sing LeVia and Rose. Roses, she was shooting out of my bridal bouquet when we got married. Everybody's like, oh, that's Adrian. She plays, my husband's a drummer, and we have these display antique drums way high that you can't reach them. She plays the drums all the time. Like, you hear Adrian, boom, kind of like knocking or table topping on a drum. She's French. I brought a French crew here. We were filming a French TV show. She fell in love, she became a giddy schoolgirl. She's a fabulous spirit and very protective of us.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, she lucked out haunting the house that you moved into. She did because she loves attention and she gets attention all the time. I wanted to touch on something you said, which is sort of one of the mantras that we have on this show, is that everybody's truth is their truth. I absolutely love that you said that. How does that come into play when you deal with people who are maybe doing something that's kind of dangerous? Like how how where where is the line there where you might be like, you know what, maybe maybe don't do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe Well, I mean, uh I'm happy to give them my opinion and give them maybe some guidelines that, okay, if you're gonna do it anyway, because you're not gonna listen to me because I don't know what I'm talking about. If this sort of starts to happen. If your sleep starts being interrupted, if you're getting crankier more often than not, if you're this or you're that, you know, or if you if we're doing paranormal stuff and I and you uh you're on an investigation, and yes, the pros I work with, the YouTubers and Zach and the guys and ghostfinders and my paraflex guys are great, but you know, I not not every some people are new and don't know what they're doing. I'm real careful of what and again there is consequence. The I you guys probably know the story, you know. One kid, my one rule is be respectful, whatever you're doing, you don't jump in the deep until you can swim. Let's start out with my skills. Um, but this one kid getting disrespectful. Did first cool things were happening. French doors were flying open, speakers were coming on that were plugged in. But he said something so rude and so stupid that not him, but the cameraman facing him burst into flames. Oh two it two cameras caught it because and one camera started feeling the ceiling or the floor. This poor guy, the cameraman, he was not standing in front of a fireplace, he was not standing in front of a candle, like a V, angel wings of fire up his back. Um, it wasn't demonic, it was just a cranky, cranky ghost, because cranky in life, cranky in death. And me, cool witch medium patty becomes medic Patty, which I am. I'm certified, I drop and roll, I'm calling in my my protectors, my guardians. I set it up to shut it down. It was insane. He burst into flames. I'm looking at the blistering on his back. How it turns into a happy thing, though, is that three weeks later, this guy, he he was a filmmaker in his own. He was so intrigued at spontaneous combusting himself. He's like, look at my back. And where I'd seen the blistering, it literally, ladies, it literally looked like he had gone and got a tattoo of a dragon. Whoa! Sharp teeth, winged heads into the shape of the serpent. And that is the exact energy I called in to shut down the seance. I work Dragon Meds. Oh, it's on his back. I'm like, oh my gosh, you have a tramp stamp of a dragon on your back. That is the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life. He thought so too. He actually wrote a horror film about this TV medium, did every TV show about me. I think Margot Robbie should play me. Just saying, if anybody does, but about this TV medium who opens a portal, does yet another reality show, and then it becomes one of those funny, scary movies. He wrote it, I'm so honored, with Stephen Norrington, the guy who wrote The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and the Blade series, and they wrote this movie about me. They haven't done it yet. But I sat down with him, I must say, because this media thing we are all on, I sat down with him for five hours going, Lauren, you can't say that in a movie, in a script. You can't say that on the screen. He's like, but you said that. I went, I know I said that. That does something, that opens a veil. You don't want to be one of those cursed horror films, do you? It happens all the time. Look at all the poltergeists, exercise. A spirit and energy, good or bad, doesn't know the difference of an actor, method actor reciting lines and somebody really opening up a portal to hell. So let's change those words that they're not going to be powerful to they'll sound as spooky or as mystical or as magical, but they won't. You don't want all the actors to die at 27.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm constantly yelling at horror movies for getting things wrong. So maybe I should stop that. Maybe they're supposed to get it wrong so that it well yeah, there's a fine line.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't like because we the witch's movie, Kevin, that we were talking about that I do with Heather. Well, we love it when they get it wrong. We crack up and the good ones, the bad ones. We curse each other, we hex each other. Um, it's very funny. But you know, when they get it wrong, it's funny. But I don't I I get more worried when they say something that's really right, that's either something that shouldn't be said from the witchcraft world that's more an initiate thing that's supposed to be more private, or when they they just do the ritual completely ass backwards or something.

SPEAKER_02:

When we first started this podcast six years ago or so, uh, we did many amateur seances before mediums started telling us not to do that until we were properly trained. How do we know when we're trained enough? Do we show any signs to you of having done something wrong that went wrong? I mean, how would we know?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I guess, besides the demons standing behind both of your no, you are fine, and you would know. That's the thing people do I have a possession, do I have a detachment? You would know, you do know. Yeah, you don't, you're fine, and again, intent is everything. Yes, I had the cartilage ripped off my ribs, uh, black dahlia killer because I had not set up my protectors in time to and the thing happened by the way at Marilyn Manson's house, the fire thing. So it's not it's not a regular occurrence that of wild.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah, you do have to be be careful, but again, your intent, if you're not trying, you're gonna be fine. And you guys are both fine.

SPEAKER_02:

It it sounds like with all your experience you're prepared to handle pretty much anything, but is there any kind of paranormal subject or or mystery that you decided not to investigate further and not to learn more about for any reason? No, you're I think all knowledge is good knowledge.

SPEAKER_01:

I love yeah, I love to learn. That's why I even started my my school, my uh University Magicus. I have like 20 teachers, all different paths and and belief systems and faiths. I because the more you know, if you if you come upon a djinn, you would need to know how what a djinn is versus versus a gnome, versus a this versus that. I mean, they're just different names many much for the same things. But if you understand philosophy, religion, occult sciences, the more educated you are, the more you can handle everything. I travel the world. So, and to know the belief system of the people I'm working with so I could talk within them. If I've got a table full of Catholics, I'm gonna have all my same information and knowledge, but I'll speak different than if I've got a table full of witches. Right. That's smart. Same information, but I don't want to scare you the word Lucifer.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I I had to bring it up. Let's talk about spectrophilia because for those of you that don't know, spectrophilia, and I'm just gonna say it's a sex with ghosts. You could probably explain it better than me and Patty.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it is sex with human, non-human interactions. It has been around for absolutely ever. Every culture has it, every religion and belief system has it. Otherworldly beings coming down and having interco uh relations with humans. It's it's the Christ story, it's everything, a god and this and that. It it is, it's every and every culture has that. The the otherworldly being, the deity, the whatever coming down. And it's almost always vilified, of course, because sex is almost always vilified. That's a good point. Again, our Western prudish ghosts are bad enough. All of us weird, ghosty people are weird enough. Now add sex to it. We can't talk about this. It's so off. But it's happening and it's happened forever. So when it I first had clients coming to me, I hadn't known about it, I wasn't an expert in such things young, but it's like, how do we deal with this? Because just like human human sex, it's good or not good, it's consensual or non-consensual. You don't want the not good kind, you don't want the non-consensual kind. My first client was the non-consensual, so I started working with and studying, intensely studying it, so how she could get rid of what she didn't want, just like you would with attachment or anything else. But then people started coming with my very best friend. Um, her husband died young of a cancer, and then luckily she had heard me talking about it on a TV show or something like that, and she's like, he came to me, my husband came to me, and that he did all the same, whatever their foreplay was, this spooning thing. And she would have been, had she not heard that this was a thing, an okay thing, she would have been scared to death, thought it wasn't real, thought she was crazy, which most people do, and not enjoyed it, and not have the beautiful closure that she had. So there's people sitting at home in their apartments in their houses going, oh my god, I'm doing this, I'm having this thing, good or bad, and a lot of it is really good, and afraid to talk to anybody about it, thinking they are crazy or they are wrong or they are insane or that's something evil, and it's none of the above. So the more we can talk about it, um, the better, because I I hear from people after something comes out. I did a film years ago called Ghostly Lovers for Discovery Channel. It got buried so fast. They played it one side thing. I think you could find it somewhere now, and it was the positive size of ghosts, I guess. I was one of the experts, but played it once for Valentine's Day, and it's like, ah, this is too scary for discovery.

SPEAKER_00:

It always boggles my mind how unready the world is for things. Because, like you said, we're in this world, we just think it's normal.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, exactly. If if you believe in ghosts, if you don't believe in ghosts, you don't believe in ghosts. But if you believe in ghosts, if you believe in spirits and the other side, nothing dies, as science says, why all of a sudden with would sex or intimacy be off the table? If grandma could hold your hand by the side of the bed after she's passed and let you know it's okay, I like the guy. Why all of a sudden, again, sex, which is such an integral part, be off the table all of a sudden? That doesn't even make sense. If grandma could show you how to make lasagna, your husband who passed away young could say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah? Just going back in time, like this has always been a part of um, I think like ever every ancient religion story has some idea of um, you know, at least deity human sex, and um often that's where we get demigods, right? So how is ghost with a spirit different from ghost with a deity or a ghost with an alien, even? Or sorry, I said sex with the deity, sex with an alien.

SPEAKER_02:

I need to sorry. Getting sex and ghosts confused again.

SPEAKER_01:

It's so confusing, it's hard, you know. They're both well, I think energetically, I I think you're gonna feel the difference just like again, it's the energy of we all, whether you think you're in medium or a psychic, you're intuitive, we all are. It's in us. You know, when somebody walks into a space and you feel this like, oh my gosh, person, you know, I don't know how many deities walk into a room, but if they do, we would feel it, we would know it, or versus somebody really low vibration and icky. So you could tell that that's why I say when I teach people how to experience this and how to do it, be picky. Get for the you want a good high vibration, you know, roll in the hay with the guns.

SPEAKER_00:

Right? Just like with your living partners. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Be picky both sides. And with a deity, it's gonna be a spiritual experience. You know, well, sometimes with a non-deity, it's a spirit spiritual experience as well.

SPEAKER_00:

But you know, it's vibration. Got it, got it. Again, these ancient stories they talk about how there's often a child that results from such a union. Is that even possible?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, anything can happen. I don't think that can happen in our this world. The veil is not quite thin enough yet, because we are on different planets, so to speak. Intimacy, sex, that's all energy is one thing. Birthing a baby that's half a ghost. I don't know. I'm friends with this woman, Brocard. She's a UK woman, she's a musician, and she's famous for marrying a ghost who they think looked like Johnny Deff is a pirate. I'm not sure. I love her. I she's great, and she was she divorced the ghost, she married a ghost, she divorced a ghost. It wasn't a good marriage. Yes, no, very geographically undesirable. They cannot take you out to lunch, they cannot beat your parents. I did another good like a good morning, America, but the UK version of it several years ago, and a woman who wanted to have a baby with a ghost. It didn't happen. It's it's like, you know, dogs and cats don't mate together at this point, you know, a giraffe doesn't mate with a lion. You know, it could happen on weird, rare occasions, but I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_02:

And that you know that the veil is 99.9% effective, Becky.

SPEAKER_00:

So okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02:

We're gonna have to wait till it's a little bit thinner.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

What do we need to know for 2025? Like, do you get any messages that the world at large should hear?

SPEAKER_01:

We are going through obviously a time of chaos. In a time, sadly, that we're cut living it from fear. Every there's fear, fear-based stuff, control-based stuff. Now more than ever, we have to step into our own power. Whatever your belief system, don't just do something because somebody tells you to do something. Don't believe something because somebody tells you to believe something. They're trying to control you, they're trying to numb you out, they're trying to make us into phoned in, asleep at the wheel, by road, automatic pilot, do to do, do do, do, do, do, do. No, no, quite the opposite. No. How do I feel about that? You develop your intuition, your sense of integrity, virtue, ethics, moral code, whatever you want to do it. And now is the time, again, whatever your belief system, take your power back. And I think anybody you need to get a dragon in your life. We need dragons. Whatever how that works for you within your belief system, or they have little plastic dragons you literally put a fetish or spirit into, which I do. Dragons are how they're different than say our protective angels. Angels are great. Angels, they live in the heavens, their highest vibrations. Angels are dextral, which means everything they do is holy. They could do two things, enlighten and protect, two good things, enlighten and protect. But they don't have a sinstral side. Sinstrate is shift. The word sin comes from central, but it doesn't mean in the Christian version of the sin. It means shift. But so angels are up here, let them protect you and enlighten you. Dragons, which have been around forever, every culture, Asian culture, most certainly, Chinese culture, medieval culture, um, they often again get a bad rap is dark, evil, but anything that's powerful, they, whoever they is, say is evil, because anything that's powerful, almost everything that they say is evil, is just powerful. Like, you know, the number 13, walking under a ladder, a black cat. They're not breaking a mirror. That's not evil, that's powerful. You could use it for good or for evil. But dragons, they're not just in the heavens, they can fly between heaven and earth, which means they live at the crossroads. And anybody who does magic and spellcraft, the crossroads is where magic happens. That's where you, oh, I'm taking it to crossroads. Because think about it. If you're on a one-way road, you go this way, you turn around and you go this way. You get here or there. All of a sudden you get to an intersection or you get to a crossroads, you have all these options. Dragons live at the crossroads. So get yourself a little uh a fetish, a living spirit out of an inner feet at every okay, dragon, today I have a headache. Give me energy, take that away. I'm getting kind of broke. I need a money opportunity. You send them out, they live to serve you, they're like little worker bees. Game changer. Game changer. So figure out how dragon. I mean, I have videos on how to do it. It's in my book, my first book, Old World Magic. Um, anybody I know, I the everything from breaking sports teams' curses with the LA Dodgers to getting people out of of public massacres. Dragons.

unknown:

Dragons.

SPEAKER_02:

I do have a little plastic dragon dangling in a little metal cage over my dining room table right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Breathe life into it. Feed it every talk it to it, feed it. They don't eat, but they drink and they drink a lot. Put a little lid off a water bottle underneath it. It'll drink more every day. Tell it what you want. If it's hanging, I don't know how you water it, but water it and they will drink faster. You will be amazed. Whiskey, water, bread bowl, it will let you know what it wants. Breathe life into it. Give it a name, give it a job. I like personal assistant. You are my personal assistant. Give me a long, happy life filled with travel, adventure, love, health, happiness. Breathe life into it. As in every great creation story, breathe life because that's your pneuma, your life force, the moisture in your breath, your free will. And then sit it so. Okay, you are Puff the Magic Dragon, you can whatever you are. And then every day it works with psychology, the mind, body, spirit of this is what I need today, what I want. You're telling it what to do. Body, you're literally have this body you've created in the spirit, you've created a real entity. It's called the Egregora, Servatora, Tolpa. Everybody system has these created spirits. Game changer. When did you start working with dragons? I don't know. It's just been a part of me for quite some time. I've always been very elemental. These are beautiful elemental creatures. It's just been a part of me for a very long time. You can get fancier ones than this, but I love these little ones. I'm actually going to start selling beautiful little metal ones, but now you can get 3D ones. You can get um have beautiful crystal ones, but it's funny the little inexpensive plastic one. I can't tell you, and I guess I can't tell you, not as how many movie stars, A-listers, Academy Award winners feed their dragon every day.

SPEAKER_00:

I believe it. I believe it. That is amazing. Nice little piece of advice. We have not had anybody on yet who's talked about dragons. We need dragons right now. 2025. You mentioned movies, and you have a podcast about movies. Do you have a favorite witchy movie that just really checks all the boxes for you? Practical magic.

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Ah yeah. My movie's Wizard of Oz, because that's Wizard of Oz. That's my favorite witchy movie. I have the big pink dress. Somebody's borrowing it right now for a Wizard of Oz show, but I have the Glinda dress. Wizard of Oz, practical magic. I love Witches of East Wing. And modern day witches done right. Um, but again, just like with the podcast um witches movie, Kevin, we love the really bad ones too. And there's some really bad ones.

SPEAKER_02:

My favorite bad one recently was Cursed Friends.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I haven't seen that cursed friends.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, oh, it's it's very hilarious. But I I usually do uh the comedy side of horror movies.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah, no, we do the comedy side too. We'll do any side of it. That's awesome. Well I'll have to I'll have to suggest it to Heather and the team. It's weird.

SPEAKER_00:

This has been a lot of fun, and our audience has been asking to talk to you. So I'm really glad that we were able to get on here, especially with your new book, Dollcraft, which is so exciting. I have a copy of that for myself, even though I don't plan to have a haunted doll anytime soon. I know it's going to be a very, very valuable read because you never know. Well, you never know what might be.

SPEAKER_02:

People mail them to us all the time.

SPEAKER_00:

Do mail them to us. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So know how to take care of it. This has been excellent. We've been listening to Patty Negri, who has been on so many programs. She has Paraflix, that is your own station. And then you also have The Witching Hour, which is your podcast. The Witch's Movie Coven with uh Heather Green, which we have spoken to very recently. You can also check out her website at pattynegri.com where you can find out all of these things. And be sure you follow her on social media. She's very easy to find, and she has some amazing clips that she shares from interviews just like this. And you're gonna really enjoy watching all of her material. So thank you so much, Patty. This has been a real joy.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you both. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02:

Diana and Hainted Loves, what do you think? Now, if somebody sends you a haunted doll in the mail, I think you'll know exactly what to do to avoid having a spooky day.

SPEAKER_00:

Homespun Haints is hosted by Becky Kalimnik and Diana Doty, and produced by Homespun Haints Media LLC. Editing and music by Becky Kilimnik. Show notes by Diana Doty. If you have a ghost story and you'd like to be considered as a guest for this podcast, please visit our website at homespunhaints.comslash submit.